De feestmaand is voorbij. Het nieuwe jaar, het jaar met de zes is alweer van start gegaan, en daarin gaan we ons weer werken naar de volgende feestmaand . Ik hoop dat iedereen hun 2005 goed af heeft kunnen sluiten, en de beste wensen voor het komende jaar!

Gelukkig Nieuwjaar!!!

>> - Nieuws - Posted by: TripleSix @ 01-01-2006 02:52

Afgelopen 11 november heeft Tarja haar lang verwachte finse persconferentie gegeven n.a.v. haar ontslag bij de band Nightwish. De transcript hiervan is gepubliceerd en vertaald op het internet verschenen:


Tarja Turunen (ex Nightwish vocalist) had a press conference today, Nov 11th 2005, where she told her own thoughts about the past year, which eventually lead into disbanding her. Next you have a shortened version about what she had to say. It is not taken word by word, but only as far as possible and the contents of her message has not been altered in any way.

- Welcome to the press conference, one where I would never wanted to be. I really want to thank you for coming here. The reason for this conference, or one of many, that I wished you to meet me and myself to meet you.

All the incudents that have happened lately, have been so tender and sensitive things, that when I left Finland after receiving the letter from the boys, I was so shocked from the way they expressed this matter when nobody was able to work with me any more. I do understand that we got into this situation through so many problems, but the way they put it, was a shock and hard bite for me. And it still is.

- Te reason to leave to Argentina with my husband wasn't to run away, but the fact that speaking about the issue has been extremely hard, and to tell the truth, the first week went in all that shaking so that I wasn't able to form a decent sentence to discribe my feelings. Nobody could have made any sense about my feelings. It was the reason I could not talk about this earlier.

These are the things I want to talk with you, I want to tell about my future plans, but I also want you to know, how the band had been progressing during these years, how our chemistry matched, and how this uprising nine year career has looked from inside. I will go through this quickly, beacuse it would propably take nine years to cover all nine years completely. I will make things as clear as possible, but of course this will be my view of everything. I have made a list of issues for myself, because I never was very good at speech, not even at school.

- Where I'd like to start is, maybe from the third album, Whishmaster. By the time we were in such a bad condition as a band, that everything felt falling on us and there were loads of problems, even when the band had been touring Europe and so on. We were unable to solve our problems, and they had been piling into so big, that Tuomas said he couldn't go on with the band and whistled the game to an end.

At the moment I was in Germany, had a bad feeling and had been thinking, and also found some answers how we could come over these problems and the fact of not speaking to each others. We had had too many gigs in short period of time, and as the vocalist I got tired faster than the other bandmembers.

It became very hard, especially at the end, because I had not been the so called nagging bitch from the beginning and I felt that we all were rowing the same boat, and I had real reasons to keep complaining. I did honestly believe, that the others understood what kind of a singer I am, where my background was and it was the big difference that made it so difficult for me.

- This brought us to the point where I heard in Germany from my good friend who called from Finland, that the story of Nightwish is about to end. I mean, I did hear it from her, not directly from Tuomas, but later I was told that he wants to go on with the band, that he didn't really want to throw everything we had achieved into a trashcan.

He put on certain demands, he wanted to make changes and one was that Sami had to leave, because he was unable to continue working with him any more. And all this I heard about in Germany. I decided that I wanted to hear what Tuomas had to say and we met him with my husband, talked how we could make things easier, while Nightwish had gained such a status in the metal genre which made these things important.

We made a decicion, that long tours were not to be made with too tight schedules, because it only lead to the whole band suffering from it. We tried to make the circumstances for everybody as comfortable as possible.

- I have always had a feeling, don't know where it came from after all, that we never were able to talk about anything. In the beginnig we knew each others and then this grew so big and we were no more able to talk, it was all a kind of smowball phenomenon we only had to live in. We were shy people in the situation, maybe there was the issue of respect which held us from going to tell others how we wanted things to be done. Tuomas agreed to continue with these terms as far as it ever was possible.

The most important point then was that both of us wanted to concentrate on making music, not to get involved with outer issues like busines. We needed people to help us out and Tuomas had decided to take a good friend of his for help and he would realize his visions through him, so we could keep on making music. This friend of his and people surronding him become this management of ours.

Meantime I couldn't collect my thoughts or wasn't able to trust things getting better based on one discussion. I wanted my husband to help and give me support, - and I don't want you to stick on this why I wanted Marcelo, because it is very normal. In a crisis a human being wants help, and usually help is asked from close, like from your father, brother, husband and so on. It could have been someone else but I did choose my husband, because of his business background from long before Nightwish was founded.

- We decided that we have these two parties and based on this, we will make things with good feeling. Thing really did get better and we went out touring and making a new record. I felt in my heart that everybody was trying their best, but then this issue of not speaking rose again. What will make a person change, I cant tell, I can't order anyone to change oneself, even I sometimes might say something like that in a rage of anger.

So the habit of not speaking went on and on and obviously created problems again, especially during hard and difficult tours. The thing that was difficult, - we agreed in our discussion about scheduling gigs that we were not to make three gigs in a row because it would be too hard to my voice. It was never self-evident to me that my voice would be in good condition every day, and I had to work a lot with it while on tours.

I tell you, that if we didn't agree with these certain things, I would not have this voice of mine any more. If I was able to say 'yes' to every offer I got, I would not have my voice any more. While I'm a singer, a trained singer, who heard every day when studying, that you better take good care of your voice all the time, those words had an influence on me on tours when I had to stress my voice very hard. Five week tours with three gigs in a row and a day off and the same again for several times. It was hard for every bandmembers, not only for me.

- These things were talked about in meetings, but we never talked while on the road. Of course it was tight when we realised at the time of publishing Century Child that the situation was about the same as at Wishmaster times. The same bad feeling had returned, and I wasn't able to handle it, not even with those people I was in contact with.

Anyway, the fact that the band began to gain success and Century Child began to make success meant that it was not only bad things happening. Those were great moments, Century Child opened us many possibilities and we really lived high times. We got the chance to play at big venues and got to choose what we wanted to do. Really, all the fans around the world and in Finland motivated us, and without them I think we were not able to carry on so much we did. To me it was one of the most important things because the lack of communication and other things, when information did not move between us.

It was really frustrating when many times nobody knew anything and then I suddenly got a message that in five minutes I have to go to do promotion on TV. Another very big thing was, how I had indicated that I want to know what we are going to do and improve in the band, on tours and anything, before starting on anything. I want to know wht is coming next. If we are negotiating a new contract with a record company, I want to know the terms before it is brought to me for signing.

- When we talk about this career of Nightwish, I was never feeling myself offering anything. I have sung in this band for nine years, in good and in bad times, but but it was never about offering myself for the band. I can't see it like this. I am grateful for what I have achieved with the band and their music.

For example the fact how I was accepted in the scene of heavy metal, the music itself, and how I felt good when I began to undestand wht heavy metal actually is about. Earlier there were so many things I did know nothing, I didn't know where I was heading to and the situation was the same with everybody. I don't agree that I alone have changed so much during the years, because we all changed, grew up into adults. The world tends to change your personality.

These problems were so big that we definitely were unable to discuss things and it ruined a lot. After Century Child I had to decide if I was going to continue with the band or to begin something new. Marcelo stood beside me and he really tried to bring up the positive sides, like the fact that I just had learned to sing the band's music and to enjoy about everything. After that I really enjoyed our concerts more and more. Music and the people around the world were the most important things to us all, and because of them I decided to continue, digging energy from whatever sources when necessary, like from supportive fans and people around me.

- At that moment we came again to the situation where I had to slow down our pace of gigs because for me band's success in making of which we all were involved, isn't an excuse for endangering my health. Circumstances were a lot better, but the fact remained that I was singing, and I have my limits.

Things were about to outstrike each others, issues once discussed and taken care of were neglected again which of course brought in frustration and feeling of not taking it any more. I tried contacting, sending emails asking why we have come to this situation again, when no messages move and there are again so many gigs booked. How I was to plan my private life if I was only occasially told that there will be a gig next week here and there. Even I plan my private life like any person would do.

This kind of messages were to arrive randomly and this was the case with the Oslo gig which was sold out before I was told there would be a gig in Oslo. The gig happened though and I did sing there, no doubt of that. I feel that I haven't been treated very well, when I was not told about things to come. On top of that I got pressed with claims that the gig must be done, while there has been a contract made about it.

We do travel because of our audience, but it can not be the only reason to make contracts on gigs located randomly. In Oslo we stayed by my friend when the rest of the band left back to Finland instantly after the gig, because some had deals to fill and the others had not, so we stayed in Oslo with Marcelo, and we never were told about things.

- This kind of things happened all the time and I had no energy to live among it all the time. We had gone really far in all our lack of communication. Our popularity had grown enourmously, and the days off actually were not days off any more, because we made a lot of promotion and so I announced the band that maybe the others might want to do these promotions a little bit more, because my strength is about to meet the limit.

Anyway, these issues were on top all the time and I needed to know about things, like in what kind of conditins we were to do gigs and so on, because knowledge of it would ahve helped me to figure out if I can make it under the circumstances. For example about not smoking at backstage, since I wasn't able to take care of all this, even it was honoured especially in the beginning. I was given a private room to change clothes and to open my voice, which might not be the most convenient thing to listen to, hence I don't want to do it in public and this kind of special arrangements were necessary.

My husband helped me with all this, like ensuring a private room at backstage, but unfortunatey it did not work in very many venues. I mean, how issues like this were forgotten, while other members' instruments were set ready on stage in good time. Our gig included my outfit changes, but a room wasn't considered important, even like in priciple I only needed a microphone for my performance. My husband was with me in this just like the others had their technicians, there wasn't too many differences in that and it wasn't necessary to bring him up in publicity as an issue."

Met dank aan The Enigma van het Nightwish forum.

Deze transcript is overigens niet compleet. In het ontbrekende stuk werd er gesproken over Tarja's toekomstplannen, maar ten tijde van publicatie was er helaas geen audio bestand beschikbaar van dit gedeelte.

De persconferentie is hier terug te zien (voor de finnen onder ons), en voor foto's van dit gebeuren kun je hier een kijkje nemen. ( ).
>> - Nieuws - Posted by: TripleSix @ 22-11-2005 16:27

Het laatste woord is hier nog niet over gesproken. Intussen is er ook weer een reactie van Tuomas opgedoken op de gepubliceerde brief van Tarja. Op deze site vinden we het originele artikel, waarvan de (ruwe) vertaling hieronder staat:

"We did care for her"

Founding member of Nightwish Tuomas Holopainen has read letter that the band's ex-singer Tarja Turunen has posted on her homepage this thuesday.

- Agreement seems a distant dream at this moment, says Holopainen.

Holopainen was especially surprised about the part of the letter where Turunen felt that her husband being part of problem was insulting.

- It is not that we criticise Marcelo Cabulin as a husband, but as Tarja's manager and business-man, and how he influenced the band's actions. His homeland has nothing to do with it, even though Turunen implicates it in the letter, claims Holopainen.

- Instead his motives have been concerning us from the very beginning. Our assumptions that there's something wrong have only increased along the road, he says.

"We took Tarja seriously"

Also Holopainen doesn't understand the comment about Tarja choosing marriage instead of "being band's own girl".

- I think it's ridiculous to think that this would be the cause of any kind of jealousy.

Holopainen says the rest of the bandmembers have always taken Tarja seriously. They wanted her in this band because of who she was.

- We've always tried to respect Tarja as the singer and icon of the band.

At the same time Holopainen says the rest of the band went along with Tarja's wishes. Is she wanted to travel by plane instead of by bus, it was fine. Or if she didn't want to do interviews, I did them myself.

- This way we tried to show to Tarja that we cared for her.

"Agreement seems impossible"

It pains Holopainen to break a friendship that lasted 15 years. He says the whole band, including him, are still behind their words and the way they handled it.

- This matter could not have been dealt with any other way.

Holopainen hasn't been in contact with Turunen after the break and there will be no attempts to for a while.

- Agreement sounds like a very distant dream at this moment. At this very moment I consider it absolutely impossible.
>> - Nieuws - Posted by: TripleSix @ 26-10-2005 18:15

Tarja heeft op haar eigen site een brief geplaatst. Enkele mensen zijn zo vriendelijk geweest deze uit het fins te vertalen. De vertaling luidt als volgt:

"Since last Sunday morning, I have been asked to express my position by magazines, newspapers, radio and TV stations, fan clubs and fans from Finland and from all over the world. So many in total that it is physically impossible for me to find the time to reply to them all individually. Hence I decided to put down a couple of words in this text to let my fans, family and friends and the public know how I feel after the recent events.

This is a moment of grief and pain and I find it very hard to speak.

At the moment I am in Argentina. I hope you can understand that after this shocking life change comparable to a divorce, I didn’t want to stay alone at home in Finland. My husband had booked his tickets to Argentina many months ago and I decided to travel with him at the last minute.

But the fact that I am in Argentina and the long distance should of course not be an excuse not to comment on the situation.

Last Friday 21st of October was a day the whole band had been waiting for a long time.

Practice started early in the morning. I was very sick and nervous because of the fact that I was not even able to sing during the rehearsals.

Also nervous because the concert programme was going to be longer than usual for a Nightwish concert. Furthermore we were going to have a special guest to perform with us, more wardrobe changes for myself than usual and for the first time big screens and bigger production on stage.

Not to forget that the concert was going to be recorded and filmed.

The five of us had finally made it to play Hartwall Arena.

Even though every one of us knew in advance that the concert was sold out, finally on stage, we saw that screaming, applauding and standing people took every seat. The feeling was unbelievable.

I will never forget how amazing it was to experience the Finnish audience’s gorgeous reception.

When the concert was over, I cried of happiness on stage. Happy tears because I was able to do my best as always even though I was sick. Happy tears because our long tour got the greatest possible ending and happy tears because of the best recognition an artist can get: applause and smiling faces.

At that moment I didn’t know that I was going to cry again soon.

After the concert, the guys of the band invited me backstage to join them and asked me to hug altogether. This felt strange as it was the same kind of hug we traditionally came together for before every concert. That tradition remained between us, even though the tension and increasing pressure already existed since a long period of time.

The immediate feeling in me was to thank them, which I did loudly but without any reply.

After this, they gave me a letter and asked me to read it the following day. The same letter that is now public.

I read it and was shocked.

I didn’t know what to say and still at the moment that I am writing these lines, I don’t.

I sense great anger in that letter and I continue to have very confused feelings about it, but I don’t want to reply to this anger with an even greater anger. Private matters should never be taken to the public.

I know this moment we are going through is very sad for everybody, including the guys.

While there would have been so many different possibilities and ways to express what they wanted to tell me with the letter, I remain unable to understand the way they chose to handle this. I am sorry that the guys got me so wrong. I don’t recognize myself at all from the way they described me.

They mentioned mean things about me, but the fact that they involved Marcelo, my husband, crossed the line. He is the man I love, my friend and has been my biggest support over the last years.

We have been band mates for 9 years, experienced good times and not so good ones. I thought I knew them, but I was wrong. I knew they didn't accept me and Marcelo, it was easy to notice from their comments and actions. Why was it so? Because he was born in South America? Because I chose marriage and did not countinue being the "bands own girl"? Because I'm the only girl in the band and the guys never took me seriously. My husband was the one who helped me to get my voice heard.

Still everything that has happened is not enough to make them evil in my eyes.

Now comes a time to calm down and reflect upon all of this.

I need to put my feelings together again and I promise to come back to public soon.
I will announce a press conference where I will be talking about my future plans. This doesn’t mean that you should expect this conference to be an instrument to attack anybody. It won’t.

The wonderful music we created together won’t be touched by recent events.

Thanks a lot to all the people who are supporting me during these sad times. My family, friends, colleagues, and the great number of fans. I love you and I really feel I have not failed you.


-update: De vertaling staat nu ook officieel op

-update2: Het ontbrekende stukje in de engelse vertaling op de website (in bovenstaand stukje wel aanwezig) doet heel wat stof opwaaien:

"I knew they didn't accept me and Marcelo, it was easy to notice from their comments and actions. Why was it so? Because he was born in South America? Because I chose marriage and did not countinue being the "bands own girl"? Because I'm the only girl in the band and the guys never took me seriously. My husband was the one who helped me to get my voice heard."

De vraag is waarom dit stuk ontbreekt in de vertaling. Een domme fout, of heeft het een andere reden?
>> - Nieuws - Posted by: TripleSix @ 25-10-2005 15:36

Tarja heeft inmiddels in een interview geschokt gereageerd op de gebeurtenissen van afgelopen zondag:

"I'm really upset. The way in which this was brought up publicly is cruel and sad, [..] It wasn't enough that the letter talked about me, but the way in which my husband was also dragged into it is shocking." (bron)

Daarbij zegt ze haar kant van het verhaal te doen in een persconferentie die gehouden zal worden ergens in november.

In een reactie naar de fan-site van Tarja liet ze weten:

" [..] I don't have words to express my feelings at the moment. I am devastated. This thing happened in a way that I didn't have a slight chance to give my opinion about it. I got fired out of a band that represents the last 9 years of my life and I am very sad about it. It has been very cruel the way the band handled this in public. This doesn't change the fact that we were doing amazing music together, but I will never forget the fact that they didn't give me the chance to say good bye for the people as a Nightwish singer. [..]"

Deze zelfde site heeft ook een gastenboek geopend voor steunbetuigingen, die zal worden aangeboden aan Tarja zelf.

De hele Nightwish achterban reageert verslagen op het hele gebeuren, en het imago van de band heeft met de gang van zaken een flinke deuk opgelopen. Het zal nog moeten blijken wat de gevolgen zullen zijn voor de band Nightwish, en voor Tarja zelf.

In mei zal er een NW boek verschijnen met meer details over het vertrek van Tarja.
>> - Nieuws - Posted by: TripleSix @ 24-10-2005 22:09

Tarja vertrekt uit de metal-band Nightwish. Dit is officieel aangekondigd middels een open brief van de overige bandleden op de website

Nightwish recorded "End Of An Era" -live release yesterday evening in Hartwall-Arena, Helsinki. As you can imagine, the atmosphere in the Arena was wild but also quite blue. This was the ending for a one and a half year lasting "Once" -World Tour. Nightwish wishes to thank everybody for an unbelievable tour.

Unfortunately the title "End Of An Era" also holds a deeper meaning. The open letter, which was given to Tarja after the show, tells it all. You can read it from HERE

"Dear Tarja,

Its time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. Weve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and were certain we cant let it go.

Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which Ive been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior dont go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who dont talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.

We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, its an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: I dont need Nightwish anymore. and Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one days warning in advance.
I cant simply write any more songs for you to sing.

You have said yourself that you are merely a guest musician in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
Were sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.

You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So theres no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. Its all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.

In interviews Ive mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and Im not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values dont match mine.

We were never bothered by the fact that you didnt participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldnt think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.

Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we cant take care of those duties anymore.

Deep within we dont know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesnt think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.

Its obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we dont respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This compensation and more money from everything attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!

We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.

This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.

All the best for your life and career,


Emppu Jukka Marco

Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.

. Zoals duidelijk mag zijn ben ik totaal niet blij met dit bericht.

Tarja heeft een zeer mooie en unieke stem, waar Nightwish bekend en groot mee is geworden. Zonder Tarja als front-vrouw geen Nightwish.... .

Eeuwig zonde dat het zo is gelopen. Nightwish gaat gewoon door, met een nieuwe stem. Ik ben zeer benieuwd wie haar plaats gaat en kán innemen. Er moet een behoorlijk gat gevuld worden. En misschien worden we wel blij verrast. . Aan de songteksten zal het in ieder geval niet liggen. .

We zullen wel zien hoe Nightwish hierna verder gaat. En wie weet wat we kunnen verwachten van Tarja's solo-carrière. Voor de fans blijft het natuurlijk een bittere pil. (including me). .

En ik ben uiteraard zeer benieuwd naar Tarja's reactie op deze brief! We wachten af...
>> - Nieuws - Posted by: TripleSix @ 23-10-2005 22:52

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